{"id":5723,"date":"2013-12-31T13:13:04","date_gmt":"2013-12-31T18:13:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=5723"},"modified":"2016-03-17T19:40:44","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T23:40:44","slug":"podcast-20-review-of-the-lewis-rogers-debate-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-20-review-of-the-lewis-rogers-debate-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 20 \u2013 review of the Lewis-Rogers debate &#8211; part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1908\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-5723-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities020.mp3?_=1\" \/><a 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href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-5730\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah.jpg\" alt=\"sodom-and-gomorrah\" width=\"500\" height=\"315\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah.jpg 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah-300x189.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah-420x265.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah-460x290.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sodom-and-gomorrah-90x57.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>In <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=lewis+rogers\" target=\"_blank\">his debate with Muslim apologist Shadid Lewis<\/a> does Reformed Christian apologist Anthony Rogers establish the consistency of the Trinity and <strong>monotheism?<\/strong> That is, does he prove that the Trinity doctrine is <em>not<\/em> a form of <strong>polytheism?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Is this episode, we <strong>examine his arguments<\/strong>, and discuss<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>the Qur&#8217;an<\/strong>, abrogation, and whether it always distinguishes Christians from polytheists<\/li>\n<li>Rogers&#8217;s argument from <a title=\"Genesis 18-19, NRSV\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Genesis%2018-19&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Genesis 18-19<\/a> that <strong>Moses taught multiple persons in God<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Rogers&#8217;s argument from <a title=\"John 8\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=John%208&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">John 8<\/a> and <a title=\"Matthew 28:19, NRSV\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew%2028%20:19&amp;version=NRSV\" target=\"_blank\">Matthew 28 :19<\/a> that <strong>Jesus<\/strong> taught the same<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>You may want to refer to the analyses I gave <a title=\"post for episode 17\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/5562\" target=\"_blank\">in this previous blog post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Next week, in episode 21, we&#8217;ll look at\u00a0<strong>Lewis&#8217;s side<\/strong> of the debate.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after clicking through one of our links. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Books quoted in this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Hugh Goddard,<a title=\"buy through Amazon trinities store\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1566633400\" target=\"_blank\"><em> A History of Christian-Muslim Relations<\/em> <\/a>(Chicago: New Amsterdam Books, 2000), pp. 27-8.<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"buy at the Amazon trinities store\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/translated-by-thomas-rees\/the-racovian-catechism\/paperback\/product-874342.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Racovian Catechism<\/em><\/a>, trans. Thomas Rees (London, 1818), pp. 37-9.<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"buy through the Amazon trinities store\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199535957\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Qur&#8217;an<\/em><\/a>, trans. M.A.S. Abdul Haleem (New York: Oxford University Press, 2004), pp. 118-9.<\/li>\n<li>Not quoted here, but helpful regarding the topics of abrogation, quranic interpretation, and the historical order of the suras: Neal Robinson,<a title=\"buy through trinities Amazon store\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1589010248\" target=\"_blank\"> <em>Discovering the Qur&#8217;an: A Contemporary Approach to a Veiled Text<\/em>, 2nd ed<\/a>. (London: SCM Press, 2003).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In his debate with Muslim apologist Shadid Lewis does Reformed Christian apologist Anthony Rogers establish the consistency of the Trinity and monotheism? That is, does he prove that the Trinity doctrine is not a form of polytheism? Is this episode, we examine his arguments, and discuss the Qur&#8217;an, abrogation, and whether it always distinguishes Christians&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-20-review-of-the-lewis-rogers-debate-part-1\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">podcast 20 \u2013 review of the Lewis-Rogers debate &#8211; part 1<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5730,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,54,59,38,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5723","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-debates","category-islam","category-monotheism","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5723","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5723"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5723\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":36408,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5723\/revisions\/36408"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5730"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5723"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5723"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5723"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}