{"id":5763,"date":"2014-01-06T14:50:20","date_gmt":"2014-01-06T19:50:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=5763"},"modified":"2016-03-17T19:39:16","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T23:39:16","slug":"podcast-21-review-of-the-lewis-rogers-debate-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-21-review-of-the-lewis-rogers-debate-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 21 \u2013 review of the Lewis-Rogers debate \u2013 part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2898\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-5763-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities021.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities021.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities021.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities021.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=5763-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities021.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities021.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-5764\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/right-hand-of-the-Father.jpg\" alt=\"right hand of the Father\" width=\"405\" height=\"502\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/right-hand-of-the-Father.jpg 405w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/right-hand-of-the-Father-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/right-hand-of-the-Father-90x112.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 405px) 100vw, 405px\" \/> In this episode, my evaluation of <strong>the case made by Shadid Lewis<\/strong>. Does he establish, on grounds which his opponent must affirm, that the Trinity implies polytheism?<\/p>\n<p>See Lewis&#8217;s <strong>arguments<\/strong> as analysed on the<a title=\"post on episode 17\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-17-lewis-vs-rogers-1-opening-statements\/\" target=\"_blank\"> post for episode 17<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>What <em>is<\/em> the doctrine of the Trinity anyway? Are the persons members of an eternal group of wonderfully unified friends? Or are they aspects or personalities of the one God? Or what? Is this just about the &#8220;deity of Christ&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>And what is the doctrine of two natures in Christ, and does it show how one and the same being could be, e.g. mortal and immortal?<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, <strong>who do <em>you<\/em> think won<\/strong> this debate?<\/p>\n<p>Let us know what you think. <a title=\"upload audio files to Dale's Mediafire account\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">Click here<\/a> to upload <strong>your audio feedback<\/strong>, for possible use in a future episode \u2013 .wav, .mp3, and <em>probably<\/em> any other common audio format should be OK. Try to keep it to a minute or less.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a> (scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after clicking through one of our links. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Referred to in or relevant to this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Their <a title=\"Lewis-Rogers posts and podcasts\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=lewis+rogers\" target=\"_blank\">whole debate<\/a>, in episodes of the trinities podcast, as well this and my first evaluation episodes.<\/li>\n<li>Posts on <a title=\"posts on Islam-inspired modalism\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=islam-inspired\" target=\"_blank\">Islam-inspired modalism<\/a> (i.e. one-self trinitarianism)<\/li>\n<li>Posts on the<a title=\"the indiscernibility of identicals\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=indiscernibility\" target=\"_blank\"> indiscernibility of identicals<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Sophisticated recent &#8220;relative identity&#8221; trinitarianism <a title=\"Relative Identity Trinity theories\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#RelIde\" target=\"_blank\">explained<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Sophisticated recent Incarnation \/ two-natures theories <a title=\"&quot;Incarnation&quot; at the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy\" href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/incarnat\/\" target=\"_blank\">explained<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>On Christmas-time claims that the one <a title=\"post on Christmas amazement\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/christmas-amazement\/\" target=\"_blank\">God became a baby<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>A post by J. Matthan Brown on <a title=\"hypostatic union\" href=\"http:\/\/thechristianwatershed.com\/2010\/11\/06\/metaphysics-and-the-hypostatic-union-how-philosophy-can-be-the-theologians-greatest-ally\/\" target=\"_blank\">the &#8220;hypostatic union.&#8221; <\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"theophany defined, with a large number of examples\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/resources\/dictionary-of-bible-themes\/1454-theophany\" target=\"_blank\">biblical theophanies<\/a><\/li>\n<li>the <a title=\"straw man fallacy explained\" href=\"http:\/\/www.fallacyfiles.org\/strawman.html\" target=\"_blank\">straw man fallacy<\/a><\/li>\n<li>on Christian appeals to &#8220;<a title=\"Mysterianism\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#Mys\" target=\"_blank\">mystery<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, my evaluation of the case made by Shadid Lewis. Does he establish, on grounds which his opponent must affirm, that the Trinity implies polytheism? See Lewis&#8217;s arguments as analysed on the post for episode 17. What is the doctrine of the Trinity anyway? 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