{"id":6096,"date":"2014-03-31T14:02:47","date_gmt":"2014-03-31T18:02:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6096"},"modified":"2016-03-17T19:20:05","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T23:20:05","slug":"podcast-33-albrecht-vs-tuggy-debate-was-tertullian-a-trinitarian-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-33-albrecht-vs-tuggy-debate-was-tertullian-a-trinitarian-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 33 &#8211; Albrecht vs. Tuggy debate &#8211; Was Tertullian a trinitarian? Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3782\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6096-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities033.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities033.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities033.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities033.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6096-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities033.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities033.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-6097\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1.jpg\" alt=\"debate part 1\" width=\"444\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1.jpg 634w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1-300x203.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1-420x285.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1-460x312.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-part-1-90x61.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 444px) 100vw, 444px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>On March 29, \u00a0I debated Catholic apologist <a title=\"William Albrecht's youtube page\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/gnrhead\" target=\"_blank\">William Albrecht<\/a> on whether or not Tertullian was a trinitarian.<\/p>\n<p>In <strong>this episode, our opening statements, and rebuttals<\/strong>, slightly edited (&#8220;cleaned up&#8221;) from the original audio (&#8220;in studio&#8221; for me, unfortunately, just over the internet for his side &#8211; but I did my best to make the whole thing listenable.)<\/p>\n<p>You can also listen to <a title=\"trinities 033 on youtube\" href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/7mvu0o7yoI4\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>this episode on youtube<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Some <strong>questions to keep in mind<\/strong> as you listen:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Just what is Mr. Albrecht&#8217;s claim about Tertullian&#8217;s theology &#8211; that it is &#8220;<strong>trinitarian<\/strong>&#8221; in what sense, exactly?<\/li>\n<li>What is his point about the Latin term translated as &#8220;portion,&#8221; (as in, the Son is a portion of the Father&#8217;s substance).<\/li>\n<li>Can a portion of matter be <strong>older than<\/strong> something it now composes? Can you think of an example of such a situation? How would that my relevant to this debate?<\/li>\n<li>Why does Mr. Albrecht in his rebuttal bring up the 4th c. &#8220;<strong>Arians<\/strong>&#8220;? What is his argument, and is it a compelling argument?<\/li>\n<li>If it were shown that Tertullian <em>did<\/em> think the Son (and Holy Spirit) to be <strong>eternal<\/strong>, would that be enough to prove the affirmative side in the debate here?<\/li>\n<li>In his opening statement Mr. Albrecht asserts that the <strong>&#8220;Apostles'&#8221; creed<\/strong> is trinitarian. I&#8217;ve\u00a0<a title=\"episode 12 - The Apostles' Creed\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/5103\" target=\"_blank\">discussed that creed in episode 12<\/a>, and argued that it is unitarian and not trinitarian. Who&#8217;s right, both about that creed, and about the &#8220;rules of faith&#8221; Tertullian seems to quote in <em>Against Praxeas<\/em> 2,\u00a0\u00a0<em>On the Veiling of Virgins<\/em>, ch. 1, and <em>Prescriptions Against Heretics<\/em> ch. 13?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Thanks to William Albrecht and the show host Mr. Augustin Austacio<\/strong> for this debate. You can hear the whole unedited two hour debate show, with Q &amp; A included, <a title=\"the debate episode of the HealingX show\" href=\"http:\/\/www.blogtalkradio.com\/healingxoutreach\/2014\/03\/29\/debate-dr-dale-tuggy-vs-william-albrecht-was-tertullian-a-trinitarian\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Next week<\/strong> here at the tritities podcast you can hear a &#8220;cleaned up&#8221; version of our\u00a0mutual cross examinations and closing statements.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On March 29, \u00a0I debated Catholic apologist William Albrecht on whether or not Tertullian was a trinitarian. In this episode, our opening statements, and rebuttals, slightly edited (&#8220;cleaned up&#8221;) from the original audio (&#8220;in studio&#8221; for me, unfortunately, just over the internet for his side &#8211; but I did my best to make the whole&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-33-albrecht-vs-tuggy-debate-was-tertullian-a-trinitarian-part-1\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">podcast 33 &#8211; Albrecht vs. Tuggy debate &#8211; Was Tertullian a trinitarian? 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