{"id":6272,"date":"2014-05-26T07:57:49","date_gmt":"2014-05-26T11:57:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6272"},"modified":"2016-03-17T19:03:04","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T23:03:04","slug":"podcast-episode-42-dr-stephen-r-holmes-on-his-the-quest-for-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-42-dr-stephen-r-holmes-on-his-the-quest-for-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 42 &#8211; Dr. Stephen R. Holmes on his The Quest for the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8122\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6272-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities042.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities042.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities042.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities042.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6272-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities042.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities042.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0830839860\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-6273\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/quest-for-the-trinity.jpeg\" alt=\"Dr. Stephen R. Holmes's The Quest for the Trinity\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/quest-for-the-trinity.jpeg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/quest-for-the-trinity-90x135.jpeg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>In this episode I talk with <a title=\"Dr. Stephen R. Holmes home page\" href=\"https:\/\/www.st-andrews.ac.uk\/divinity\/rt\/staff\/sh80\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Stephen R. Holmes<\/a>\u00a0about his 2012 book\u00a0<strong><a title=\"Stephen R. Holmes, The Quest for the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0830839860\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Quest for the Trinity: The Doctrine of God in Scripture, History and Modernity<\/em><\/a><\/strong> (UK title: <em>The Holy Trinity<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p>In this book Dr. Holmes argues that the much celebrated recent<strong> &#8220;revival of trinitarian theology&#8221;<\/strong> is no such thing. In his view, recent theology has deviated from the course set by the 4th centuries &#8220;fathers&#8221; (&#8220;pro-Nicene&#8221; theology) and one should agree with this historical claim whatever one&#8217;s position on the Trinity is.<\/p>\n<p>Here we discuss his <strong>change<\/strong> of heart about the &#8220;revival,&#8221; \u00a0<strong>his summary<\/strong> of that late 4th century understanding of the Trinity, whether <strong>contemporary evangelicals<\/strong> understand that\u00a0doctrine, the contrary idea that God is a <strong>perfect community<\/strong> of selves, scripture and <strong>tradition<\/strong>, the<strong> practical adequacy<\/strong> of traditional language about Father, Son, and Spirit, and whether or not one can <strong>deduce<\/strong> a traditional Trinity doctrine from the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>You can also listen to <strong><a title=\"trinities episode 42 on youtube\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ESfM4eHR9ko&amp;list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm&amp;feature=share&amp;index=41\" target=\"_blank\">this episode on youtube<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Next week, we&#8217;ll have more conversation with Dr. Holmes.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode I talk with Dr. Stephen R. Holmes\u00a0about his 2012 book\u00a0The Quest for the Trinity: The Doctrine of God in Scripture, History and Modernity (UK title: The Holy Trinity). In this book Dr. Holmes argues that the much celebrated recent &#8220;revival of trinitarian theology&#8221; is no such thing. In his view, recent theology&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-episode-42-dr-stephen-r-holmes-on-his-the-quest-for-the-trinity\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">podcast 42 &#8211; Dr. Stephen R. 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