{"id":6303,"date":"2014-06-23T17:00:57","date_gmt":"2014-06-23T21:00:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6303"},"modified":"2016-03-17T18:57:10","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T22:57:10","slug":"podcast-46-professor-timothy-winters-islamic-perspective-on-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-46-professor-timothy-winters-islamic-perspective-on-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 46 &#8211; Professor Timothy Winter&#8217;s Islamic perspective on the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4409\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6303-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities046.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities046.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities046.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities046.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6303-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities046.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities046.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-6304\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol.jpg\" alt=\"islam symbol\" width=\"475\" height=\"329\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol.jpg 475w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol-420x291.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol-460x319.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/islam-symbol-90x62.jpg 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 475px) 100vw, 475px\" \/>In this episode I talk with<strong> <a title=\"Timothy Winter's professional homepage\" href=\"http:\/\/www.divinity.cam.ac.uk\/directory\/timothy-winter\" target=\"_blank\">Professor Timothy Winter<\/a> (a.k.a. Shaikh Abdal-Hakim Murad),<\/strong> an Islamic theologian at Cambridge University. He&#8217;s the author of a chapter called &#8220;The Trinity is Incoherent&#8221; in the 2013 collection edited by J.P. Moreland, Chad Meister, and Khaldoun A. Sweis,\u00a0<a title=\"Debating Christian Theism\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199755434\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><em>Debating Christian Theism<\/em><\/strong><\/a>. It was paired with a chapter\u00a0by <a title=\"Tom Senor\" href=\"http:\/\/comp.uark.edu\/~senor\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Tom Senor<\/a>, a Christian philosopher from the University of Arkansas, called &#8220;The Trinity is Coherent.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>These chapters are <em>very<\/em> different; Senor&#8217;s is entirely <strong>philosophical and apologetic<\/strong>, whereas Winter&#8217;s is <strong>biblical and pastoral<\/strong>. Senor argues: it is not contradictory. Winter argues: it&#8217;s not in the Bible, it&#8217;s not an idea of Jesus&#8217;s, and it is a barrier to spiritual life.<\/p>\n<p>Here I summarize Dr. Senor&#8217;s chapter before conversing with Professor Winter about his. <strong>We talk about<\/strong> his Christian background, his views on the gospels, and his reaction to Dr. Senor&#8217;s chapter.<\/p>\n<p>You can also listen to <a title=\"trinities episode 46 on youtube\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=H-Sj9fdyaWM&amp;list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm&amp;feature=share&amp;index=46\">this episode on <strong>youtube<\/strong><\/a>. (Or:<strong> <a title=\"trinities at itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/trinities-podcast-feed\/id690304581?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\">itunes<\/a><\/strong>.)<\/p>\n<p><em>Some relevant links<\/em>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"Timothy Winter's personal home page\" href=\"http:\/\/www.masud.co.uk\/ISLAM\/ahm\/\" target=\"_blank\">Timothy Winter&#8217;s personal homepage<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Dixon&#8217;s <a title=\"Nice and Hot Disputes\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0567042219\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Nice and Hot Disputes<\/em><\/a> &#8211; on some of the late 17th c. trinitarian-unitarian debates Professor Winters mentions.<\/li>\n<li>Christian theologian Geoffrey Lampe&#8217;s <a title=\"God as Spirit\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198266448\" target=\"_blank\"><em>God as Spirit<\/em><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Interview with Timothy Winter in The Independent\" href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/people\/profiles\/timothy-winter-britains-most-influential-muslim--and-it-was-all-down-to-a-peach-2057400.html\" target=\"_blank\">A 2010 article<\/a> where Professor Winter discusses his conversion to Islam.<\/li>\n<li>The text of a 1996 talk\u00a0by Professor Winter, &#8221; <a title=\"The Trinity - a Musilm Perspective\" href=\"http:\/\/www.masud.co.uk\/ISLAM\/ahm\/trinity.htm\" target=\"_blank\">The Trinity: A Muslim Perspective<\/a>&#8220;.<\/li>\n<li>A video of Professor Winter in a mosque or madrasah <a title=\"Professor Winter on the Trinity\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=UXUZabtrF58\" target=\"_blank\">teaching Muslims about the Trinty<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>A piece of an academic lecture by Professor Winter on <a title=\"Professor Winter on Jesus in the Qur'an\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=PTRlT8fv3hc\" target=\"_blank\">Jesus in the Qur&#8217;an<\/a>. And on <a title=\"Winter on the Qur'an on Christianity\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dVN3gTJTe2E\" target=\"_blank\">Christianity<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode I talk with Professor Timothy Winter (a.k.a. Shaikh Abdal-Hakim Murad), an Islamic theologian at Cambridge University. He&#8217;s the author of a chapter called &#8220;The Trinity is Incoherent&#8221; in the 2013 collection edited by J.P. Moreland, Chad Meister, and Khaldoun A. Sweis,\u00a0Debating Christian Theism. It was paired with a chapter\u00a0by Dr. Tom Senor,&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-46-professor-timothy-winters-islamic-perspective-on-the-trinity\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">podcast 46 &#8211; Professor Timothy Winter&#8217;s Islamic perspective on the Trinity<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6304,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,56,59,20,9,57,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6303","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-interview","category-islam","category-mystery","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6303","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6303"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6303\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":37200,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6303\/revisions\/37200"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6304"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6303"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6303"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6303"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}