{"id":6575,"date":"2014-10-13T11:42:55","date_gmt":"2014-10-13T15:42:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6575"},"modified":"2018-11-12T16:29:36","modified_gmt":"2018-11-12T21:29:36","slug":"podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6526\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6575-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities057.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities057.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities057.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities057.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6575-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities057.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities057.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-6579\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1.png\" alt=\"episode 57 Swinburne Trinity blog image\" width=\"500\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1.png 500w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1-300x240.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1-420x336.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1-460x368.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/episode-57-Swinburne-Trinity-blog-image1-90x72.png 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>Professor Richard Swinburne holds that <strong>by reason alone, we can show<\/strong> that it&#8217;s reasonable to believe that God exists. This is, historically, a popular view, and one which many educated Christians hold today. As he mentioned in <a title=\"episode 56 Richard Swinburne on his life and work\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-56-richard-swinburne-on-his-life-and-work\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">our previous episode<\/a>, it only went out of fashion when the philosopher <a title=\"Immanuel Kant at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/kant\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Immanuel Kant&#8217;s<\/a> opinions (but not his arguments for them!)\u00a0became\u00a0educated peoples&#8217; assumptions. (He held that all the arguments were unconvincing, and that in principle no successful argument for God&#8217;s existence could be made.)<\/p>\n<p>But professor Swinburne has argued that<strong> also, we can argue from reason alone that the one God\u00a0is a Trinity<\/strong>. This, historically, is a small minority view. I&#8217;m only aware of similar arguments being accepted by <a title=\"series of posts on Richard of St. Victor\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=Richard+of+St.+Victor\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Richard of St. Victor<\/a>, <a title=\"trinities posts on Steve Davis\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=Stephen+T.+Davis\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stephen T. Davis<\/a>, and <a title=\"William Hasker posts on trinities\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=william+hasker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">William Hasker<\/a>. With Swinburne included, that makes one theologian from the high middle ages, and three in the 20th-21st centuries. (Although there are a few suggestive thoughts along these lines in Augustine.)<\/p>\n<p>As he explains <a title=\"trinities podcast episode 57 Swinburne on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities%20057%20-%20Richard%20Swinburne%20on%20the%20Trinity.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in this episode<\/a>, such an\u00a0argument\u00a0depends on<strong> a particular way of thinking about the Trinity. In his view, the Trinty consists of three perfect selves<\/strong>, each one\u00a0omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. He argues, roughly, that if there is one such, then there must be exactly three such. <strong>One alone would not, he argues, be perfect.<\/strong> And together, they are the one God, collectively, the underived source of all else.<\/p>\n<p>Is this really the right way to understand the &#8220;Persons&#8221; of the creedal statements? How can there be more than one omnipotent self? How can this count as monotheism? And does this fit divine revelation, particularly in the Hebrew scriptures? If his view is correct, why shouldn&#8217;t Christians confess belief in three gods? Professor Swinburne expounds his views and <strong>answers these objections<\/strong> in this episode of the trinities podcast.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode on<\/strong>\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stitcher<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0or\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/id690304581?mt=2&amp;uo=4&amp;at=11l5XS\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iTunes<\/a>\u00a0(please subscribe, rate, and review<\/strong>\u00a0us in either or both \u2013 <strong><a title=\"how to rate us at iTunes and Stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">directions here<\/a><\/strong>). It is also available on\u00a0<a title=\"trinities podcast youtube playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube<\/a> (scroll down \u2013 you can\u00a0<a title=\"youtube subscription link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/khanpadawan?sub_confirmation=1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">subscribe here<\/a>). If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast,\u00a0<a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>You can <strong>support the trinities podcast by ordering anything through Amazon.com<\/strong> after clicking through one of our links. We get a small % of your purchase, even though your price is not increased. (If you see \u201ctrinities\u201d in you\u00a0url while at Amazon, then we\u2019ll get it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Professor Swinburne\u2019s <a title=\"Richard Swinburne home page\" href=\"http:\/\/users.ox.ac.uk\/~orie0087\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">home page<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"The Christian God by Richard Swinurne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198235127\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Christian God<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>(<a title=\"The Christian God, by Richard Swinburne, kindle edition\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B004BXAK16\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"Is There a God? Second, revised edition, by Richard Swinburne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/019958043X\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Is There a God?, 2nd ed<\/a>. <\/em>(<a title=\"Is there a God? By Richard Swinburne, revised edition for kindle\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00DO8PM0S\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"Was Jesus God? by Richard Swinburne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199580448\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Was Jesus God?<\/a><\/em> (<a title=\"kindle edition of Was Jesus God?\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B006NXGKU2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">kindle<\/a>)\u00a0&#8211;<em> Correction: in the episode I say that this came out in 2010 &#8211; but is was rather 2008.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Professor Swinburne: we can argue from reason alone that the one God is a Trinity. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6579,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,16,56,38,9,57,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6575","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-books","category-interview","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6575","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6575"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6575\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40734,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6575\/revisions\/40734"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6579"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6575"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6575"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6575"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}