{"id":6624,"date":"2014-11-10T10:24:53","date_gmt":"2014-11-10T15:24:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6624"},"modified":"2016-03-17T10:55:23","modified_gmt":"2016-03-17T14:55:23","slug":"podcast-61-dr-dustin-smith-on-preexistence-in-ancient-jewish-thought","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-61-dr-dustin-smith-on-preexistence-in-ancient-jewish-thought\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 61 &#8211; Dr. Dustin Smith on preexistence in ancient Jewish thought"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5231\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6624-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities061.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities061.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities061.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities061.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6624-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities061.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities061.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-6625\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-1024x512.png\" alt=\"frog in your throat\" width=\"520\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-1024x512.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-420x210.png 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-460x230.png 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat-90x45.png 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/frog-in-your-throat.png 1654w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 520px) 100vw, 520px\" \/>If a native English speaker says &#8220;<strong>you have a frog in your throat<\/strong>,&#8221; this means that your voice doesn&#8217;t sound normal, but is low, broken, &#8220;croaky.&#8221; It is a mistake to think that he is saying that you <em>literally<\/em> have a frog in your throat!<\/p>\n<p>What about when the author of Revelation refers to the<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Lamb slain from the foundation of the world<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and the Babylonian Talmud\u00a0says that<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Seven things were <strong>created before the world was made<\/strong>&#8230; Torah, repentance, the Garden of Eden, Gehenna, the throne of glory, and house of the sanctuary, and <strong>the name of the Messiah<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Are we to take this sort of talk literally or not? If it&#8217;s <em>not<\/em> meant literally, what is the point of this (to us) confusing\u00a0way of talking? In <a title=\"trinities episode 61 Dr Dustin Smith on preexistence in ancient Jewish thought\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities%20061%20-%20Dr%20Dustin%20Smith%20on%20preexistence%20in%20ancient%20Jewish%20thought.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">this episode<\/a>, Dr. Dustin Smith explains\u00a0<strong>the ancient Jewish habit<\/strong> of describing important things or people as having <em>always<\/em> existed, or at least, having <em>already<\/em> existed.<\/p>\n<p>Also, be sure to check out Dr. Smith&#8217;s\u00a0<a title=\"pre-existence at Dustin Martyr blog\" href=\"https:\/\/dustinmartyr.wordpress.com\/?s=preexistence\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>ongoing series of blog posts<\/strong> on pre-existence<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-6627 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-300x293.jpg\" alt=\"Dustin Smith cr IMG_3709b\" width=\"300\" height=\"293\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-300x293.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-1024x1001.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-420x410.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-460x449.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-90x88.jpg 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b.jpg 1270w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><br \/>\nYou can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode<\/strong> (and all others) on <strong><a title=\"trinities podcast playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\">youtube<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0(scroll down), <strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">stitcher<\/a><\/strong>, or <strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/trinities-podcast-feed\/id690304581?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\">itunes<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0(please rate us there).\u00a0 If you would like to\u00a0<strong>upload audio feedback<\/strong> for possible inclusion in a future episode of this podcast, <a title=\"upload audio feedback for the trinities podcast here\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mediafire.com\/filedrop\/filedrop_hosted.php?drop=96df5ea43b9b7c6582cb95b8c5a7259d7cd8109e0cd009d4a5ecd099cc7e64fb\" target=\"_blank\">put the audio file here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"Dustin Martyr Blog\" href=\"https:\/\/dustinmartyr.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dustin Martyr Blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;The Nature of Preexistence in the <\/a><br \/>\n<a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Gospel of John: A Case Study of <\/a><br \/>\n<a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">John 8:58 and 17:5&#8243;<\/a> (pp. 45-61)<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Dustin Smith's PhD dissertation, published\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/1499367198\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Paradoxical Conquering in the Apocalypse of John<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Atlanta Bible College\" href=\"http:\/\/www.abc-coggc.org\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=2&amp;Itemid=2\" target=\"_blank\">Atlanta Bible College<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If a native English speaker says &#8220;you have a frog in your throat,&#8221; this means that your voice doesn&#8217;t sound normal, but is low, broken, &#8220;croaky.&#8221; It is a mistake to think that he is saying that you literally have a frog in your throat! 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