{"id":6684,"date":"2014-11-17T12:05:22","date_gmt":"2014-11-17T17:05:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=6684"},"modified":"2018-12-24T17:04:58","modified_gmt":"2018-12-24T22:04:58","slug":"podcast-62-dr-dustin-smith-on-the-preexistence-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-62-dr-dustin-smith-on-the-preexistence-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 62 &#8211; Dr. Dustin Smith on the preexistence of Jesus in the gospel of John"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3922\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-6684-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities062.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities062.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities062.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities062.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=6684-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities062.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities062.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-6627\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-300x293.jpg\" alt=\"Dustin Smith cr IMG_3709b\" width=\"300\" height=\"293\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-300x293.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-1024x1001.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-420x410.jpg 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-460x449.jpg 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b-90x88.jpg 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dustin-Smith-cr-IMG_3709b.jpg 1270w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>Does the fourth gospel teach <strong>that Jesus existed long before his conception<\/strong>, even before the creation of the cosmos?<\/p>\n<p>Most readers think so.<\/p>\n<p>But <a title=\"the mp3 of trinities podcast episode 62\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities%20062%20-%20Dr%20Dustin%20Smith%20on%20preexistence%20in%20the%20gospel%20of%20John.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">in this episode<\/a> Dr. Dustin Smith argues that rightly understood, this gospel<strong> neither assumes nor teaches that Jesus &#8220;preexisted,&#8221;<\/strong> that is, existed before he was a human. He argues that we should read the gospel according to John in light of Jewish assumptions about human beings and the Messiah, taking care to understand the author&#8217;s distinctive language and his &#8220;misunderstanding motif.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-6689\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/I-am-carved-in-stone-300x221.jpg\" alt=\"I am carved in stone\" width=\"300\" height=\"221\" \/>We discuss a number of passages which people often read as implying\u00a0Jesus&#8217;s preexistence, including John 1 (&#8220;<strong>In the beginning was the Word<\/strong>&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;he was before me&#8221;), John 3 (&#8220;the one who descended&#8221;), John 6 (&#8220;ascending to where he was before&#8221;), John 8 (&#8220;<strong>Before Abraham was, I am<\/strong>.&#8221;), John 16 &#8220;I came from the Father and have come into the world&#8221;), and John 17 (&#8220;the glory that I had in your presence <strong>before the world existed<\/strong>&#8230;&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p>This discussion builds on <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-61-dr-dustin-smith-on-preexistence-in-ancient-jewish-thought\/\">episode 61<\/a>, in which Dr. Smith explains the Jewish habit of describing important things like the Messiah, the Torah, or the Garden of Eden as having existed before creation.<\/p>\n<p>You can also <strong>listen t<\/strong><strong>o this episode<\/strong> (and all others) on\u00a0<strong><a title=\"trinities podcast playlist\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLMCt15e8gG-g7t7wo9MCq9KSDSsvGNcsm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">youtube<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0(scroll down), <strong><a title=\"trinities podcast @ stitcher\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=54067&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">stitcher<\/a><\/strong>, or <strong><a title=\"trinities @ itunes\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/trinities-podcast-feed\/id690304581?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">itunes<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0(please rate us there).<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Dr. Smith&#8217;s blog:\u00a0<a title=\"Dustin Martyr Blog\" href=\"https:\/\/dustinmartyr.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dustin Martyr Blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cThe Nature of Preexistence in the <\/a><br \/>\n<a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gospel of John: A Case Study of <\/a><br \/>\n<a title=\"Journal of Biblical Unitarianism\" href=\"http:\/\/eherald.kentross.org\/media\/jbu\/jbu_2014_02.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John 8:58 and 17:5?<\/a> (pp. 45-61)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does the fourth gospel teach that Jesus existed long before his conception, even before the creation of the cosmos? Most readers think so. But in this episode Dr. Dustin Smith argues that rightly understood, this gospel neither assumes nor teaches that Jesus &#8220;preexisted,&#8221; that is, existed before he was a human. He argues that we&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-62-dr-dustin-smith-on-the-preexistence-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">podcast 62 &#8211; Dr. Dustin Smith on the preexistence of Jesus in the gospel of John<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6627,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,14,33,56,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6684","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-history","category-incarnation","category-interview","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6684","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6684"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6684\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40901,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6684\/revisions\/40901"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6627"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6684"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6684"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6684"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}