Dale Tuggy

Dale Tuggy is Professor of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia, where he teaches courses in analytic theology, philosophy of religion, religious studies, and the history of philosophy.

12 Comments

  1. Rose Brown
    December 14, 2014 @ 3:36 am

    @Dale,

    Adonai said to Adoni ( Psalm 110:1).

    David is “anointed” king and Jesus too. In fact, the meaning of ‘Messiah’ is “anointed.”

    Your syllogism is null and void.

  2. Aaron
    September 19, 2014 @ 3:03 pm

    Yes of course. I realize Dale isn’t serious, he is simply trying to make a point about Trinitarian belief. Thanks for your thoughts I hope to hear from you again if the future. Take care.

  3. John
    September 19, 2014 @ 8:51 am

    Aaron,
    Sorry forgot to say – Dale is of course rationalising with his ‘tongue in his cheek.’
    -just to illustrate the absurdity of certain thinking.
    Blessings
    John

  4. John
    September 19, 2014 @ 8:42 am

    Aaron,
    Tradition suggests that the court singer refers to the King … . Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels,
    and assumes the Psalmist to be David -hence the Messiah must be someone greater than David.
    Regarding the OT i’m afraid that I have a certain bias in these matters as I find the so called ‘prophetic’ scriptures very ‘forced’-.i.e. a ‘christological gloss’ has been applied to the Jewish scriptures which was not intended by the writers.
    Sorry I can’t help !
    God Bless
    John

  5. Aaron
    September 19, 2014 @ 3:53 am

    John, you rebutted a lot of Trinitarian arguments about the verse. I agree that reading 2 YHWHs into the text isn’t justified. All I was asking was, in the original context, was “my lord” a direct reference to David? Given that Dale’s argument above hinges on Psalm 110:1 intending to refer to David himself with the words “my lord” we would have to conclude that if this title referred to anyone else that Dale’s argument breaks down. Even you said it was actually about the future King who would come from the Davidic line and be crowned….so that would be not David right?

  6. John
    September 19, 2014 @ 12:48 am

    Aaron
    Isn’t David the Oracle here?.
    Isn’t ‘my lord’ the King of the Davidic line who is being addressed by YHWH, on the occasion of his coronation?
    There is no doubt that ‘The Lord’ is superior to ‘my lord’ since the one is doing the ‘elevating’ and the ‘crushing’
    This is clearly not YHWH talking to YHWH or
    Two YHWHs talking. !

    You will have noted that Christ refers to Psalm 110 when in Matthew 22 vs 41-45 He says
    “How does David, inspired by the spirit, call him ‘lord’,…if David calls him how can he be be his son”

    Two points
    (i) The word ‘lord ‘ is used by a King to address a son
    (ii)Why should it NOT be for the Messiah to have greater status than his famous and powerful father?

    The Hebrew scriptures make it quite plain – this is ‘ adonai’ addressing ‘adoni .. Some trinitarians allege that the Jews have tampered with this verse by fiddling with the vowel points. The Septuagint Bible
    confirms the Tanakh translation.

    Blessings
    John

  7. Aaron
    September 18, 2014 @ 5:29 pm

    Didn’t David write Psalm 110? Can we conclusively say that “my lord” in verse 1 refers to David if he wrote it?

  8. Xavier
    September 17, 2014 @ 5:34 pm

    Williams,

    The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam–that is, Christ–BECAME a life-giving Spirit. However, THE SPIRITUAL IS NOT FIRST, but the natural; THEN the spiritual. [1Cor 15.45-46]

  9. Linda Williams
    September 17, 2014 @ 1:58 pm

    In the beginning of Matthew, and again in Luke, there are listed two different generations of Jesus. The first being of the spirit and the second being of the flesh! David had the Spirit of God. Jesus received that very same Spirit. Therefore, Jesus represents the image of man in God’s image from the beginning of time. David had this same spirit, but was not the Son of God. So Jesus was before David, in spirit because he was always in the heart of God. David lived like all of us live. He had wants and desires just as we do. Jesus was under total control of God, which is Spirit. When he declared that he could do nothing of his own will, he is saying that he is under total submission. He was baptized by John in water, but after that, The Holy Spirit of God entered him and he became our Christ. On the cross, he died and was no longer flesh and blood, but returned a living spirit that is with those who accept him today.

  10. Dale
    September 17, 2014 @ 11:35 am

    “love the Richard Gere as King David photo”

    He looks like he’s feeling a bit ill about the arguments in the post.

  11. Sean Garrigan
    September 17, 2014 @ 6:55 am

    “…the Davidity of God.” Sounds like a good title for a sermon;-)

  12. Xavier
    September 17, 2014 @ 6:52 am

    So is Abraham (nasi elohim, Gen 23.6), along with: the rock (Is 51), master (Gen 24.27), messiah (Ps 105) and prophet (Gen 20.7).

    PS love the Richard Gere as King David photo. :p