podcast 283 – Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue – Part 2

In the second half of our dialogue we start by discussing John 17:1-3.

After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
John 17:1-3, NRSV

I argue that this passage straightforwardly supports my position, that in the New Testament the Father is the one true God, not the Trinity.

We then give our closing summations of our respective cases, and our host Marlon Wilson has us answer some questions from the online audience, which relate to many passages. (Most of the passages mentioned and discussed are listed below.)

What did you learn through listening through this dialogue?

And in your view, which side made the stronger case, and why?

Links for this episode:

John 17:1-3, John 8:58; John 4:25-26; Revelation 4:1-11; Revelation 5:1-14; Philippians 2:9-11; Psalm 110:1; Matthew 21:5-7; Mark 11:7; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 1:8-9; Psalm 45:6-7; Rev 3:12; John 20:17; John 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Colossians 1:15-17; Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; John 8:40; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Daniel 7:9-14; Revelation 4:5; John 6:57; Romans 5:10; John 1:14; 1 John 5:7; Colossians 1:15-17; Revelation 21:1-7; Revelation 1:8; Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:13; Romans 5:1-21.

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1 thought on “podcast 283 – Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue – Part 2”

dokimazete January 29, 2020 at 5:43 am

In my opinion Tuggy won the debate. The Trinitarians position has to accept a presumed stance
in that somewhere in the biblical text we see 3 persons, modes of being or selves making up
on substance called God. Where is that idea ever found or articulated in the Bible?

The term ho theos refers to the Father. Tuggy was right when he said that Satan is a god.
Was Satan a False god. I would say no. He truly is the god of this world. Again showing that theos
or god can be used in different senses. I thought the text in Hebrews 1 showed that Jesus could be a god but he has a God to himself. The expression that Jesus existed from ‘eternity past’ carries little weight with
me.
Some try to go to John 1.1 and use ‘en arke en ho logos’ but what beginning are we speaking of? The Gen.1.1 beginning. If so I have no problem with that at all. Trinitarians have to invent new meanings for Greek words.
They throw around words and expressions that are never articulated in the Bible.

They interchange in there speech God, Jesus, Father, Lord, on a whim. And when you tell them to stop and think
about what they just said they become defensive and realize there position requires them to go to mysterianism.

I have never met a Trinitarian that could prove that 3 persons make up one God without redefining the clear meanings of the word god in the Bible.

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