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Trinity Monotheism Part 9: Some final thoughts and objections

Time to close out this long series with a brief summary of downdog1.jpgmy own observations on and objections to Trinity Monotheism. These aren’t all the one’s I’ve mentioned, but only the ones I think are the most relevant. And I should say that Joseph has raised some others as well, both in his guest post and in his comments.

  • The whole parts issue is a distraction. Their view is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God’s three minds or centers of consciousness. We don’t normally think of faculties, abilities, thoughts, or streams of consciousness as parts of a thing, but it doesn’t matter either way, because:
  • Trinity Monotheism is a kind of FSH modalism. This fact is obscured by the talk of these “minds” (faculties of thought, or the thoughts which are the exercise of those faculties) as “persons” as “individuals”, and parts of God. It seems to me they’re mind-terminology is a little unclear – a mind can be (1) a thinking thing (soul), or (2) a faculty/ability of a thing, to think, or (3) the exercise of such a faculty. They don’t mean (1), because they hold that God is a soul, but none of the persons are. They’re a little unclear between (2) and (3), but Joseph helped me see that they probably have (3) in mind – a “mind” here is supposed to be a unified collection of God’s thoughts. But either way ((2) or (3)), it’s modalism – the difference is only between one kind of mode (of God) and another. I don’t in saying this dismiss it as heretical, but:
  • As such, it’s subject to my objections here and here to any kind of modalism about the Son. I hold these to be fatal. (Also: consider their own objections to Logos christologies, and their objection to Group Mind Monotheism re: “subminds”. Don’t similar objections apply to Trinity Monotheism? If not, why not?)
  • Their “persons” aren’t. They can’t be, because a person is a substance, and they are not substances (though they are “individuals” – but any action or event is an individual so defined). They aren’t thinkers, but rather thoughts of a thinker (God). There are probably christology problems lurking here too. Do they hold that a faculty or action of God united with a complete human nature? Will the Chalcedonian creed allow a “nature” to be an action of God?
  • As their “persons” aren’t, it is nonsense to say that each is all-good, all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. Thus, the idea that God is all those things because the “persons” are, is incoherent. They may say that each “stream” includes knowledge of all things – but God is the knower there, in each case, so the “omniscience” of these “streams” isn’t prior to God’s, and can’t explain God’s.
  • The messing around with the word “divine” is the sort of thing that gives us philosophers a bad name; the disjunctive definition is a mere verbal fix, designed to allow us to say that the Son and God are “equally divine”. Their cat example doesn’t help, it seems to me. Neither does their Cerberus analogy, as my siamese twin case shows. Better to say, “In our view, the Son isn’t fully divine, but he’s a mind of something which is.”
  • They wanted to ride the social trinitarian bandwagon, but I wonder if they can. It sounds sort of social trinitarian to say that the Three are so many “minds” (suggesting that their three selves, three thinking things). Also, the “center of consciousness” talk may suggest that. But when they talk of “three centers of self-consciousness, intentionality, and volition”, as best I can tell, that just means that God is conscious and wills in three different ways. So the appearance of social trinitarianism falls away, when you realize that they think the “persons” of the Trinity are just God’s thinking and acting in various ways, which somehow constitute unified streams or “centers” of experience. Then again, reading theologians, it’s none too clear what social trinitarianism is supposed to be!
  • As far as I know, no mainstream trinitarian in the history of Christianity would settle for the Son being “fully divine” just in the sense of being a distinctive part of, or a mind of a divine thing. (Although, if you accept divine simplicity, you’ll say all God’s properties are one another, and each is “the same as” God. – but they reject Simplicity, rightly, I think.) Thus even if it succeeds, Trinity Monotheism isn’t a version of or metaphysical elaboration of the historic doctrine, as it aims to be. That doesn’t mean it’s false; rather, it’s just wrong-headed to offer it as anything other than a major doctrinal revision. This is a minor point, as I think they admit it’s a revision, as they ditch divine simplicity, immutability, timelessness, and the generation and procession doctrines. There’s a tension here; if parts of the Catholic Tradition are dispensible, why try so hard to preserve the Athanasian Creed and the Creed of Constantinople?

I conclude that Trinity Monotheism is a bold and brilliant failure. 🙁

I’d like to hear in the comments what some of you readers out there think about all this. After a few days, we’ll probably move on to another recent theory.

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8 thoughts on “Trinity Monotheism Part 9: Some final thoughts and objections”

  1. P.P.S. Even Joseph Jedwab, who wrote a Guest Post on “Trinity Monotheism”, and who, at first, “seems [to be] posing a dilemma” to Moreland & Craig and their “Trinity Monotheism”, after all admits the possibility, on the basis of “some Lockean metaphysics”, of and “infinite spirit” which (who?) “because it has three consciousnesses … constitutes three persons”. The dogma whereby “a person is a substance” seems to have been dissolved, after all …

    MdS

  2. P.S. For Dale’s benefit, so as to give some concreteness to the notion of Siamese Twins with body in common, see this article, with relative image: Doctors in Brazil delay surgery on conjoined twins (from: AFP, December 23, 2011).

    BTW, from the article:

    “It’s important to understand that this is two babies and not one baby with two heads,” said Dr Neila Dahas, assistant director of the hospital.

    How can one say for sure? This is certainly so, from a genetic POV, but, functionally what is the difference between “two heads sharing a body” and “one baby with two heads”?

    A merely philosophical sophistic quibble, methinks …

    … which is precisely the quibble between Daniel Howard-Snyder and William Lane Craig …

    MdS

  3. @ John [March 20, 2013 at 2:09 am]

    In this case we seem to have three consciousnesses, three persons, and, dare I say three souls!

    I agree on three consciousnesses and three persons, whereas, as I have already remarked, for some peculiar reason (presumably so as to defend themselves from the accusation of tritheism), Moreland & Craig speak, for God only, of something for which we certainly have no term of comparison, a “three personal soul” …

    MdS

  4. Villanovanus
    Your analogy of Siamese twins is most interesting!
    The feeling of ‘oneness’ must be quite profound, since the three brains are bathed by the same endocrine system.
    The image which came to mind was three processors sharing the same ‘utilities’ – computers can
    share the same printer, scanner etc.
    In this case we seem to have three consciousnesses, three persons, and, dare I say three souls!

  5. Dale,

    having browsed though the whole 9-part series, and having read, in detail, Trinity Monotheism (2003) by
    Daniel Howard-Snyder and Bill Craig’s response, Trinity Monotheism Once More: A Response to Daniel Howard-Snyder (both appeared in Philosophia Christi), I will herebelow confront your conclusions.

    It is not true that “[t]he whole parts issue is a distraction”. It all depends what you mean by “person”. If you define person as “self-conscious entity, endowed with reason, freedom and will” (more or less the definition of Boethius), then Moreland & Craig certainly are NOT speaking of the F, S & HS as “faculties, abilities, thoughts, or streams of consciousness”. If you are still perplexed, instead of Cerberus, think of three Siamese triplets who have three separate (and perfectly functioning …) heads, but, for the rest, share the same body, so, also part of the central nervous system and all of the peripheral nervous system. Would you say that the three Siamese triplets are “modes of the same human being”. This, and no other, is the question.

    Apart from referring to God as something like a “three personal soul”, which is something rather … er unheard of, it is entirely clear that Moreland & Craig speak of three distinct centers of self-consciousness, endowed with reason, freedom and will. So, here we do not have one of the obvious requisites of Modalism, viz. the same self putting on different prosopa, different masks. Again, think of Cerberus or of a three-headed “triplet”.

    Moreland & Craig do NOT present their “Trinity Monotheism” as a theory of “Group Mind” or “subminds”: they speak of three interconnected mindss (plural).

    \Whence, pray tell, did you get your dogmatic definition whereby “a person is a substance”? Rather than, say, a “relational center”?

    Suppose you have a (human) Company of three persons, Peter, Paul and James, each of them empowered to have ALL the information relative to the Company and to make ALL decisions relative to the Company, EITHER collectively OR individually, by mutual agreement. What would prevent you from saying that they are, relative to the Company, ALL three all-knowing and all-powerful?

    Your criticism of the “disjunctive definition” has exactly the same problem as above. Surely you have no problem with saying that Texas Rangers (or ____ put your favourite team) is “powerful” even if it is the players, playing as a team that allow for the team to be called powerful …

    You want at all cost to reduce “Trinity Monotheism” to Modalism, by claiming that what Moreland & Craig “really affirm” is that “God is conscious and wills in three different ways”. Again, think of Cerberus or of a three-headed “triplet”.

    You are quite right that Moreland’s & Craig’s “Trinity Monotheism” is affirmed at the expense of divine simplicity (I’m not so sure about immutability and timelessness). But who ever can prove “divine simplicity” is Scripturally founded? As for the “generation and procession doctrines”, again, also Calvin had discretely ditched them, so as not to jeopardize full “co-equality” and “co-eternity”. Nothing new.

    MdS

  6. Hi Mark,

    They certainly “preserve the persons”, in that they think they are three eternally distinct things in God. But what sorts of things? As best I can tell, collections of God’s thoughts. (They use the term “center of consciousness” – but who is conscious here? God, the one soul involved.) In saying this, they make Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ways that God is, in the sense of properties he has or actions he performs.

    Re: the whole/parts thing. Do you think that most trinitarians, when they say that Christ is “fully divine” would accept that being explained to mean, that he’s a part of the one God? Anecdotally, I hear people saying that each of the three isn’t any mere part of God but is rather “all of God”. (Not that it’s clear what they mean by that!)

  7. Well, you asked for thoughts… Whilst I’m not really convinced by everything they’re trying to say, I think some of your critique also misses the mark a bit for me. I don’t think their doctrine is modalist, but then maybe I misunderstand the term. They seem to preserve the persons well enough, and be careful enough in doing so. I also buy the whole/parts, ways of being divine thing a lot more than you do, I think it has some weight to it.

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