podcast 341 – Reflections on my debate with Dr. Andrew Loke

My recent debate with Dr. Andrew Loke about the deity of Christ was courteous but content-rich. In this episode I follow up on some of those issues and arguments.

Topics include:

How Dr. Loke follows some other two natures theorists in understanding Christ’s two natures to be concrete things and not mere properties.
How this sort of two-natures theory is subject to serious too-many-sons problems, which is clear, for instance, in the case of the properties mortal and immortal.
Whether or not the alleged Christ-creator texts straightforwardly imply the falsity of any sort of subordinationism.
Dr. Loke’s suggestion that in the New Testament the Father is not one and the same with God, but rather, the Father “represents” God (as do Jesus and the Holy Spirit). I speculate on why he thinks this, and argue that the New Testament writings assume its falsity.
When we can attribute a property of a proper part to its whole, and how this applies when it comes to the essential attributes of immortality and uncreatedness.
Concerns about the christological mistake called docetism.
Why I’ve not argued that there is only on “God” in the New Testament or only one “Lord” there, although I do observe that there is a unique god and a unique lord there.
Why I think it is a mistake to think that the kind of knowledge enjoyed by a perfect being would be merely knowing all truths, and how this affects Dr. Loke’s krypsis model of two-natures theory.
Why it is important evidence that the New Testament authors never warn us against inferring that Jesus is limited in power, knowledge, or goodness.
Some disagreements Dr. Loke and I seemed to have about what I think are one essential divine attribute and one essential human attribute.
Finally, I compare what Dr. Loke says about Jesus’s seeming denial that he is “good” in Mark 10 with what is said about that passage by Thomas Emlyn in his famous short book An Humble Inquiry.

What did you learn from this debate? What did you think were tho most interesting exchanges?

Links for this episode:

podcast 340 – Does the New Testament teach that Jesus is truly divine? – Loke vs. Tuggy – Part 2

podcast 339 – Does the New Testament teach that Jesus is truly divine? – Loke vs. Tuggy – Part 1

1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 20:24-29; John 17:1-3; Ephesians 4:4-6; Deuteronomy 6:4; John 8:54; Mark 1:1; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Ephesians 4:13; 2 John 3; John 6:45; John 8:41; John 13:3; Acts 2:33; Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:3; James 1:27; James 3:9; 2 John 9; 2 Corinthians 1:2-4; Psalm 11:1, Acts 2:33-35; John 17:5, John 5:26; John 6:68; John 17:8; Mark 13:32; Mark 10:17-22.

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