podcast 400: Debate – Tuggy vs. Bird – The New Testament Jesus is Not Divine – Part 2

In this second episode you’ll hear the second half of the debate: rebuttals, open discussion time, audience questions and answers, and closing statements.

Subjects discussed include:

traditional, Chalcedonian views about Christ’s two natures and whether these imply one too many persons
the worship of Jesus
which claims are essential to the gospel
whether an immortal being can die
the meaning of theos (god or God) as applied to Jesus in a few New Testament passages
whether it is coherent to suppose anyone is both human and divine
John 8:58
Jesus’s faith in God
whether a Protestant should trust the “ecumenical” councils
practical and spiritual consequences of viewing Jesus as God’s human Messiah vs. as a Godman

Some of the arguments for Jesus’s full deity deployed by Dr. Bird here are addressed in my UCA Conference presentation in Sydney, about a week after this Melbourne debate.

And many of the topics are also covered in my newly released book Monotheism, Heresy, and the Bible (UK)–such as the meanings of theos in the New Testament (ch. 1).

Links for this episode:

Tuggy, Monotheism, Heresy, and the Bible

Dr. Michael Bird’s YouTube channel

Dr. Bird’s blog, Substack

Exposing The Council of Nicaea with Dr. Dale Tuggy (UCA UK Conference 2025)

Dale Tuggy – What John 1 Meant (UCA Conference 2021)

Dale Tuggy and James White debate: “Is Jesus YHWH?”

Dale Tuggy vs James White | John 1 Is Not Trinitarian

podcast 291 – From one God to two gods to three “Gods” – John 1 and early Christian theologies

Bock and Loke on Jesus’s “blasphemy” in Mark 14 – Part 2

a reading of Philippians 2:5-11

podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?