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In this episode Dr. Sijuwade and I discuss his recent article “Building the Monarchy of the Father“.
Topics include:
- what constitutes biblical monotheism
- different meanings of the word “God”
- whether Dr. Sijuwade’s theology should be understand as trinitarian or as unitarian
- whether by definition a trinitarian theology must imply monotheism
- different ideas of subordination
- the dependence of this project on traditional claims about divine “processions“
- different analyses of divine aseity
- perfect being theology
- arguments by Dr. Ryan Mullins about divine aseity vs. divine processions
- extrinsic vs. intrinsic properties.
Links for this episode:
podcast 329 – Dr. Joshua Sijuwade on divine identity
“Building the Monarchy of the Father”
Dr. Sijuwade’s Academa.edu page
John 17:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 20:17; Hebrews 1:8-9.
David Kelley on How to Evaluate Definitions
podcast 246 – Response to Branson Part 4 – the shortcomings of “monarchical trinitarianism”
podcast 245 – Response to Branson Part 3 – Dueling Definitions
podcast 244 – Response to Branson Part 2 – Early Orthodox Trinitarians
podcast 243 – Response to Branson Part 1 – The Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity
podcast 242 – Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father – Part 4
podcast 241 – Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father – Part 3
podcast 240 – Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father – Part 2
podcast 239 – Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father – Part 1
podcast 164 – On Counting Gods
podcast 225 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 – Old “Lord” vs. New “Lord”
podcast 224 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 – God and “God” in the Bible
Decrees of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215)
When and How in the History of Theology Did the Triune God Replace the Father as the Only True God?
Richard Swinburne on the Trinity (podcast)
Mullins, “Trinity, Subordination, and Heresy: A Reply to Mark Edwards”
Edwards, “Is Subordinationism a Heresy?”
Neo-Arian Controversy: The Trinitarian Theology of Eunomius
extrinsic vs. intrinsic properties
Marshall and Parsons, “Langton and David Lewis on Intrinsic”
This week’s thinking music is “Green Monster” by Jesse Spillane.
If God is the eternal Father then it would seem that he cannot exist without the eternal Son. They seem to be mutually dependent upon each other are they not? What happens to aseity in this case? He is not just generating him for the fun of it is he? It seems to be analagous to the human need for relationship.
Father seems to be a new testament proper name or title for the one who is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh. I reject the nicene Creed on this point. Unitarians project him back on to the OT in that same form of father in the same relation which I think is unbiblical.
The guy makes a lot of distinctions but is it really any more than ontological window dressing? Consequentialist or constitutive essence, directly or indirectly divine for example. There seems to be some form of hype going on to bridge the gaps and blur the distinctions between the Father and the Son to cover up the chasm of subordination between them. I don’t see nicene monarchianism as a valid or biblical trinitarian model myself.
When I hear discussions like this I think about how refreshing the simplicity of the truth of the BU position is. All of the complexity, the twists and turns, involved in the Trinity doctrine must leave one in a state of continuous uncertainty. This is why most Christians simply boil it down to ‘Jesus is God’ and call it a day.
Thanks for your work Dale.
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