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podcast 351 – Thoughts on my Dialogue with Craig on the Trinity and the Bible – Part 2

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In this second part of my post-dialogue thoughts, I address in depth Dr. Craig’s “deity of Christ” proof-texts, as well as his appeal to “Sharp’s Rule” in relation to Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. Does this alleged rule of Greek grammar to show that the authors there assert “the deity of Christ”?

With some help from previous unitarian scholars, I show why it is pointless to argue against a unitarian using that alleged rule, and I also point out that Dr. Craig ought not assert Sharp’s rule, as the point of it is to read those passages as collapsing together Jesus and God – which Dr. Craig and I agree is a huge mistake.

I also fess up to some historical mistakes I made about these texts regarding Tertullian, Origen, and generally how pre-Nicene authors did and didn’t use these texts. I go looking for early references to 2 Peter 1:1 and Titus 2:13, and what I find is both surprising and revealing!

Finally, I review the many facts I pointed out in our dialogue which together constitute strong evidence against thinking that the New Testament authors are trinitarians – facts that Dr. Craig did not address. These are facts which no student of Scripture should ignore.

Links for this episode:

Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1; John 10:34-36; John 1:18; John 1:1; Hebrews 1:8-9; Psalm 45:6-7; 1 John 5:20; 2 Peter 1:1; Matthew 16:18; Philippians 2:11; John 20:30-31; Matthew 16:15-16; Titus 1:4; Titus 2:14; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 Peter 1:17; Revelation 1:17.

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2 thoughts on “podcast 351 – Thoughts on my Dialogue with Craig on the Trinity and the Bible – Part 2”

  1. Podcast 351

    As a layman I find it easier and reasonable to understand scripture as it is written. The mental contortions I had to go through listening to Dr Craig was nearly painful. I’m not unfamiliar with the trinity but had to work at following his logic (?).

    My thanks to Dr Tuggy and Dr Craig for this discussion.

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